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Post by ronny on Nov 11, 2014 16:54:15 GMT
Can I just remind people that naming stockton angling club venues on open forums is against their rules and those who break the rules will receive a warning from the club.
Personally I don't care if you wanna name stockton venues but you do risk loosing your membership, unfortunately events have occurred over the last few days which has made me need to post a reminder to you guys.
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Post by Mick on Nov 11, 2014 17:17:32 GMT
I would just like to add that on the pike meet up thread I was talking of breaking my own forum rule which I've had in place since I started the forum.....tbh though was mainly in regard of actually posting pics and naming stretches where the catch had come from. ...I in all honesty did not think that just banding about a few stretches names where if all involved where Stockton members would be a problem at all .  |
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Post by Piscatees on Nov 20, 2014 18:14:13 GMT
Can I just remind people that naming stockton angling club venues on open forums is against their rules and those who break the rules will receive a warning from the club. Personally I don't care if you wanna name stockton venues but you do risk loosing your membership, unfortunately events have occurred over the last few days which has made me need to post a reminder to you guys. Hi Ronny Thanks for posting this mate. We're not the Gestapo but over the last couple of years we've nearly lost a couple of our most attractive waters due to, i'm sure, unintentional but silly publicity of catches by members. One of the incidents cost the club a lot of money (your money as a member) because we had to install CCTV on the approaches to the river. If I can get to the pike fish-in on Sunday I'll say hello. Doug Davison Director (not a spy) Stockton Angling Ltd. |
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Post by iffy on Nov 20, 2014 19:19:31 GMT
Ronny, we all like to brag as to what fish we have caught. However I am very careful now not to name where I have caught fish. I would now only say lower, mid or upper Tees for instance. If some one wants to know further they can send a PM and if I know them will supply the information. I rarely post photos now due to the people who trawl through the website.
Perhaps also Stockton might be advised to remove the gallery from their website
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Post by ronny on Nov 20, 2014 19:55:53 GMT
Doug, just don't want members getting into trouble hence why I posted it.
I know about the situation with the farm and feel for mr Hutcinson..
Sending warnings to stockton members isn't the way forward though, your just gonna piss people off and there not gonna renew memberships, so needs to be some balance somewhere.
Surely a simple phone call just asking them not to post venues would be enough?
A phone call would be more personal and less formal than letters and emails!
Not having a go doug just simply trying to throw some ideas about...
But I do try and edit posts when I see if someone has accidentally named a venue..
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Post by ronny on Nov 20, 2014 19:59:28 GMT
Ronny, we all like to brag as to what fish we have caught. However I am very careful now not to name where I have caught fish. I would now only say lower, mid or upper Tees for instance. If some one wants to know further they can send a PM and if I know them will supply the information. I rarely post photos now due to the people who trawl through the website. Perhaps also Stockton might be advised to remove the gallery from their website Hi Dave, very good of you to offer the info mate, I wasn't having a dig at anyone with my post, someone got reported to the club for naming a venue on the site, so was just reminding people so they don't get them selfs into trouble. I believe there is talk of stockton removing the gallery, but doug maybe able to confirm this |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 23:25:25 GMT
How many people actually "trawl through the site",I thought you had to be a member to view anything on here.
If Stockton are so keen on censorship then maybe they should start by removing their website which provides details and photographs of all waters.
Seems to me that if we all have to discuss our fishing in vague terms and stop taking photographs then it's the beginning of the end for forums like this,probably just what Stockton would like.
I can go into any tackle shop and ask any of the lads what's getting caught,information is easy to gather without resorting to websites,and if I can do it then so can any poacher if he wants to.
I accept that if someone catches a special fish then the venue should be not be divulged to prevent hordes of anglers descending on the water,none of us wants to see that,but banning people like me from writing a report of a couple of chub and posting a few photos. is ridiculous.
Do Stockton seriously think that reports by anglers like us contribute to illegal angling on their waters,I never see a soul when I'm out,most of the members don't fish that much never mind poachers.
If I want to take a photograph on a public footpath,which much of Stockton's water is, then that's my right,this is the UK not North Korea.
I worry for our site if we all have to start PM'ing each other with trivial information just because individual clubs think they can dictate the terms on which we operate and this site will become very boring if reports of our days out include nothing more than bland statements and fuzzy photos.
If that's the way the site's going,it's a sad day.
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Post by markfishes on Nov 21, 2014 16:31:35 GMT
spot on Graeme like you said most people overhear talk in tackle shops etc
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Post by stuthebroo on Nov 22, 2014 17:00:54 GMT
I'm not sure what the cause was Graeme but as long as you are not mentioning the venue I believe you are within the rules though I'd appreciate if Doug could clarify.
To be honest unless you know the waters well or post an obvious landmark then photo's are not a problem. Doug and other members patrol the banks regularly and there has been evidence of poaching. Like Doug said the club are just trying to ensure the club keep hold of the waters it has.
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Post by Mick on Nov 22, 2014 17:12:23 GMT
I understand what Doug and the club are doing but unfortunately poaching on waters happens whether people post on forums or not it's just how things are now..... A lot of clubs do the exact opposite and encourage their members to make people aware that their stretches are being fished regular as to deter poachers.... Unfortunate incidents happen and I firmly believe it has nothing at all to do with people innocently posting pictures on the net and I agree with other clubs stance that's it's better to let people know someone will be on the bank than letting people believe it's unfished therefore a easier option to poach..... Just my views though |
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Post by Piscatees on Nov 30, 2014 15:39:48 GMT
Doug, just don't want members getting into trouble hence why I posted it. I know about the situation with the farm and feel for mr Hutcinson.. Sending warnings to stockton members isn't the way forward though, your just gonna piss people off and there not gonna renew memberships, so needs to be some balance somewhere. Surely a simple phone call just asking them not to post venues would be enough? A phone call would be more personal and less formal than letters and emails! Not having a go doug just simply trying to throw some ideas about... But I do try and edit posts when I see if someone has accidentally named a venue.. Hi Ronny I understand your feelings about the apparent severity of Stockton Angling’s response to members who break the company rules. However, the reasons for it are in the member’s own interests and the communication is necessarily done by letter. The last thing the club wants to do is expel a member, not only because of the severe consequences, but because at the end of the day we are a group of like-minded people with the same passion. Are you aware that if a member is expelled from any ATDAC member club he or she cannot be a member of any other ATDAC club. This effectively bans them from most of the best fishing on our local river. Nobody wants an angler who has inadvertently broken the rules to suffer this so it is important that the member concerned treats the issue seriously. That’s one of the reasons it’s done the way it is. Some members seem reluctant to give us an email address and anyway, seem to change this and their phone number as often as they change their underpants. This means that snail mail is the best way to reach them. I really do appreciate your efforts to make sure that posts do not infringe club rules. |
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Post by Piscatees on Nov 30, 2014 15:57:03 GMT
I'm not sure what the cause was Graeme but as long as you are not mentioning the venue I believe you are within the rules though I'd appreciate if Doug could clarify. To be honest unless you know the waters well or post an obvious landmark then photo's are not a problem. Doug and other members patrol the banks regularly and there has been evidence of poaching. Like Doug said the club are just trying to ensure the club keep hold of the waters it has. Thanks Stu. I'm trying to clarify things but it may take a while. |
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Post by Piscatees on Nov 30, 2014 16:05:10 GMT
I understand what Doug and the club are doing but unfortunately poaching on waters happens whether people post on forums or not it's just how things are now..... A lot of clubs do the exact opposite and encourage their members to make people aware that their stretches are being fished regular as to deter poachers.... Unfortunate incidents happen and I firmly believe it has nothing at all to do with people innocently posting pictures on the net and I agree with other clubs stance that's it's better to let people know someone will be on the bank than letting people believe it's unfished therefore a easier option to poach..... Just my views though Hi Mick. Sorry it’s taken me a while to respond but I had serious fall on the Teesdale Way recently while policing one of our stretches (hopefully more about this in a future post). I agree with your point about publicity surrounding activity on Stockton Angling’s waters being a good deterrent against poaching. The only issue is about how it's done and I'm working to try to clarify the rules surrounding this in order avoid our members falling foul of them. I think it's simply a matter of achieving a balance and I need a bit of time to find it. |
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Post by ronny on Nov 30, 2014 16:12:51 GMT
John, regarding banning from other clubs. Is this stated in the rule book? Just to make others aware.
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Post by Piscatees on Nov 30, 2014 17:36:17 GMT
John, regarding banning from other clubs. Is this stated in the rule book? Just to make others aware. Hi Ronny. Who the hell's John? It's Doug. Rule 20 in the ATDAC book says "Alleged breaches of rules or conduct contrary to the interest of ATDAC (meaning the member clubs) will be dealt with by the committee of ADTAC. Any proven breaches of rules etc.may entail expulsion form ATDAC". i.e. all of the clubs and most of the Tees. For heaven's sake, Ronny, don't get hung up on this. Nobody wants it to happen. I don't think you need to start a scare about this one. It would always be an extreme 'last resort'. The point I was making is that the Stockton Angling letters, because of their tone, help protect our members from any such serious consequences. |
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