|
|
Post by basha(mark). on Jan 9, 2014 0:28:10 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by ronny on Jan 9, 2014 6:40:11 GMT
Its otters that need to be looked at more than cormorants, otters kill our big fish stocks, least cormorants only eat silvers, which in a well stocked environment can cope with numbers better
|
|
|
|
Post by basha(mark). on Jan 9, 2014 6:54:37 GMT
agree with the otter problem aswell ronny.point is anyone wanting to stock a new water,take locke park for instance,unless you can afford big fish or get it stocked free via the EA your wasting your time with small stuff.between 7-9 cormorants on there,its wiped within a season cos there's no cover for them.its fine if they'v got sanctuary.albert park is a typical example,if your passing anytime call in and the jetties in the main bay are stuffed with roach underneath,soon as you walk on the boards they go ballistic but still don't come out.as soon as its dark they bugger off.
I deffo hate otters aswell like,bloody right pests as is the mink in a smaller capacity.sadly the situ isn't going to get resolved they are hear to stay and are only gonna multiply mate.nothing worse than walking the banks and seeing scales and fish with there belly's torn out.came across a few at thorny last yr.sat there watching the buggers on the far bank. |
|
|
|
Post by Mick on Jan 9, 2014 6:55:31 GMT
But if the comorants are eating all the small chublets and baby barbel whats gonna replace the bigger fish the otters eat ?? Catch 22 really  Sent from my GT-S5570 using proboards |
|
|
|
Post by basha(mark). on Jan 9, 2014 6:59:13 GMT
yup totally agree its a no win sanario.wnt get resolved to many animal lovers out there that don't see the damage thats getting done to our waterways.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 7:58:34 GMT
Comorants will take carp too not just silvers, remember when they first stocked them in hemo you could see them catching carp in the middle of the lake,
then a couple of Comorants turned up dead if I remember ;D
|
|
|
|
Post by ronny on Jan 9, 2014 8:51:09 GMT
But if the comorants are eating all the small chublets and baby barbel whats gonna replace the bigger fish the otters eat ?? Catch 22 really Sent from my GT-S5570 using proboards Yeah see what ya saying but a lot more cover for the smaller fish on the rivers.. Different story on a pond though, otters can be kept out of pond if the fishery is willing to spend a lot of money on a fence |
|
|
|
Post by basha(mark). on Jan 9, 2014 9:09:06 GMT
expensive bitt of kitt aswell.I reckon the rivers can handle the otters,its not a recent event they have been there ages.its mainly the stillwaters thats the major issue to be honest.if you look at the amount of sivers that were stocked in locke park,and they were wiped almost in one season due to cormorants.they had a field day on albert park aswell when that was first stocked,including the carp.funny how the fish know aswell and pile under thoughs platforms.it was daft to take the middle island out aswell there was loads ov cover,and all the trees that they pulled out.they go planting reeds all the way round,then put a wire fence in front of that,cant see the point.some people just havnt a clue what the hell they are doing when it comes to fish preservation.albert park is a piggy pond,gives the none piggy person the chance of the odd roach and that's it.they are that big in there now aswell,pointless going in there without the tackle to handle them.supposed to have been a mixed fishery.there words are as fickle as a politicians promise.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 9:47:32 GMT
The problem with otters on rivers is that they have been proven to target barbel and pike, catchable and big fish, a lot easier than chasing dace. That's not a problem, if as you say they have always been there. The issue is that otters were unnaturally reintroduced, officially and unofficially, into our river systems. So it's not a balance. No doubt they will eventually find a natural balance, but only when they have consumed available food.
|
|
|
|
Post by stuthebroo on Jan 9, 2014 20:22:46 GMT
Otters primary food source was mainly eels but with the decimation of eels stocks thy end up taking other fish. Big fish are easier targets as Jim said and otters only tend to eat certain parts or small amounts from each kill. TBH I think cormorants are a greater threat than otters as they are a new predator the fish have not faced before whereas with otter they have evolved along side and have learnt avoidance methods. Also what is going to kill in greater numbers? a few otters or flocks of cormorants?
The other issue with cormorants is the RSPB actually got the wrong species protected, it was the Shag they were actually trying to get protected but now will not admit they got it wrong.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 21:29:17 GMT
I'd definitely join the "protect the shag" campaign
|
|
|
|
Post by Mick on Jan 9, 2014 22:37:33 GMT
I'd definitely join the "protect the shag" campaign Lmao count me in as well  Sent from my GT-S5570 using proboards |
|
|
|
Post by stuthebroo on Jan 10, 2014 20:00:55 GMT
I'd definitely join the "protect the shag" campaign I think the lesser spotted married shag is nearly extinct, certainly in my area anyway.  Sent from my GT-S5830i using proboards |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 20:06:42 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 20:09:35 GMT
I've heard that, over time, the population of said lesser spotted married shag decreases exponentially.
|
|
