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Post by arc on Jan 31, 2020 21:57:10 GMT
Anyone recommend a decent float rod for chub , barbel , tench . I’ve been looking at the Drennan acolyte , either the 14 or 15 ft version ? Any recommendations , I have plenty of lighter “match “ style rods but I’m looking for something that will handle slightly heavier lines on the float as I’m presently using greys prodigy’s for most of my lead and feeder work . Not bothered price wise . Any ideas or recommendations ?
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Post by samvimes on Jan 31, 2020 22:28:31 GMT
Much will depend on exactly what you consider lighter/heavier. What exactly are the lighter "match" style rods you already have?
Older (80s/90s) match (float) rods were generally less powerful than their modern equivalents. A mainline rating of 2-4lb was fairly standard. The modern equivalent is more likely to be rated for 3-6lb lines, some relatively normal float rods are rated for 8lb lines.
When it comes to the Acolyte float rods, rather than considering the Acolyte Ultra as a standard rod and the Acolyte Plus as the power version, it's probably better to consider the Acolyte Plus as the standard rod and the Acolyte Ultra as the lighter version. IMO, the Acolyte Ultras are lighter actioned than most modern float rods.
The Acolyte Plus may well be an excellent choice for you, but much depends on where your benchmark lies. One thing is almost certain, the Acolytes will be lighter (weight) than almost anything out there.
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Post by basha on Feb 1, 2020 6:36:20 GMT
if uve got the cash buy the acolyte super light,super powerfull………..buy them all lol,most have on here excellent bitt ov kitt.
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Post by arc on Feb 1, 2020 13:05:13 GMT
Cheers lads for the advice , yes most of my float rods are 80’s/90’s versions , I used to fish 2.6lb to pound bottoms etc a lot so I’m looking for something more powerful that will handle lines to 6lb ish , price is not a problem as at some point I’ll be moving on a lot of my tournament casting rods/reels on to fund other projects . Thanks again .
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Post by samvimes on Feb 1, 2020 14:44:28 GMT
Cheers lads for the advice , yes most of my float rods are 80’s/90’s versions , I used to fish 2.6lb to pound bottoms etc a lot so I’m looking for something more powerful that will handle lines to 6lb ish , price is not a problem as at some point I’ll be moving on a lot of my tournament casting rods/reels on to fund other projects . Thanks again . I suspect that the Acolyte Plus will fit the bill for you. Of the veritable horde of float rods I own, they aren't my absolute favourites. However, you aren't likely to do any better for the price.
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Post by jacques on Feb 2, 2020 13:49:52 GMT
The Acolyte pellet waggler 12' might fit the bill. I have the 11' version rated 6lb line. It will throw a heavy loaded float 35/40 yds easy. Mine mated with a 3000 sized Diawa reel has stopped Morndyke carp over 10lb on 0.17mm hook length and 6lb Diawa hyper without me feeling underwhelmed
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Post by andy76 on Feb 5, 2020 1:28:23 GMT
I might get one of those for tench on the float , still don't know why you'd fish so light at morndyke tho John , just opinion based but that type of fishing is just catching , murky water , and greedy big fish , iv seen lads with line like DEA line catching them , you'll get them in quicker and less risk of snapping on heavier line and gear both of which put less stress on fish that out shifts in just about every day April onwards to autumn
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Post by Mick on Feb 5, 2020 6:52:41 GMT
I might get one of those for tench on the float , still don't know why you'd fish so light at morndyke tho John , just opinion based but that type of fishing is just catching , murky water , and greedy big fish , iv seen lads with line like DEA line catching them , you'll get them in quicker and less risk of snapping on heavier line and gear both of which put less stress on fish that out shifts in just about every day April onwards to autumn Think john fishes for the roach there Andy, plus a lot has to do with your rod and how forgiving it is, say you were using a Avon style float rod with lighter lines and hooklenghs you are likely to break off as the rod wont cope with the lunges and runs because it just wont be forgiving enough, but match those lines with a match or pellet wrangler float rod, and the rod itself will compensate for the lighter tackle and will take the shock of the lunges, you can quite happily land decent barbel on light float gear and a match rod as has been proven time and time again by match lads, it's all about matching the right lines to the right rods at the end of the day 👍👍😉
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Post by samvimes on Feb 5, 2020 15:19:08 GMT
I might get one of those for tench on the float , still don't know why you'd fish so light at morndyke tho John , just opinion based but that type of fishing is just catching , murky water , and greedy big fish , iv seen lads with line like DEA line catching them , you'll get them in quicker and less risk of snapping on heavier line and gear both of which put less stress on fish that out shifts in just about every day April onwards to autumn I frequently fish Morndyke with 3lb mainline and 1-2lb hooklinks with fine wire hooks. All that is in conjuction with a really light actioned canal type float rod. Though I'm not targeting the carp (I never do), I inevitably hook a few. However, I reckon that I'm actually landing a greater percentage of the carp I hook since I switched to really light gear. Sure, you still lose some, but so does everyone that fishes there. Once in a while you hook one that you can do nothing with. I also avoid certain swims and fishing too close to other anglers, you need some room at times. What I have found is that many of the carp respond to such light gear by plodding around in front of you. However, If the worst happens and a fish charges off like a lunatic, I just clamp up. Using fine wire hooks mean that they open out well before any line break. I'm doing my best to not leave hooks in fish, just in a different way to most. It also makes catching the other species, that I'd rather catch, a worthwhile experience.
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Post by andy76 on Feb 5, 2020 21:18:45 GMT
Ok cheers lads couldn't wrap head round it but makes sense I just have an opinion now about commercials which I know irritates some I don't mean too just need to remember u used to do it , ex smoker moaning atca smoker type thing , tbf morndyke when Les was there was a different league to others ,and someone told me woodlands massively improved under new management too
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Post by samvimes on Feb 5, 2020 23:13:47 GMT
Ok cheers lads couldn't wrap head round it but makes sense I just have an opinion now about commercials which I know irritates some I don't mean too just need to remember u used to do it , ex smoker moaning atca smoker type thing , tbf morndyke when Les was there was a different league to others ,and someone told me woodlands massively improved under new management too I couldn't care less what anyone thinks of commies. Morndyke is the only one I fish, and that's just the odd time through the winter and I'm not after the carp. Carp in big numbers but relatively small sizes can be fun for a while, but it tends to get boring sooner or later. Whilst I've been avoiding commies an awful lot longer than you, I'm happy to have them available to me, particularly in the depths of winter. I'll never limit my choices for no good reason and I won't knock anyone that wants to fish them all the time. No doubt there will come a time in my life when a short walk, secure parking and decent facilities (maybe even a tackle shop for all the bits I forgot to bring) will be a damned fine prospect.
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Post by andy76 on Feb 6, 2020 10:13:47 GMT
I'm not knocking anyone bud John is a true fisherman and a considerate good one who I know from reading threads over years only stepped back from rivers a bit due to not being able to walk the distances he did My problem with commercials is the total lack of policing and the sad but select few who treat the fish terribly, keeping them out the water ages , poor hook removal , dropping them on gravel paths , just see fish as a thing of amusement , iv sat there cringing ,got into arguments . I can't help it it's the way my dad taught me to be many years ago . Morndyke is the best because the old boy whos sadly died cared so much , and in general all the anglers seemed to care . I used to think match lakes were same but in reflection these are the anglers that are highly skilled and know what they are doing and so efficiently , it's careless pleasure anglers I don't and never will get . I think my initial point was poorly made , but I stand by my opinion of how a percentage of people behave on most commercials , and in a weird way I owe them a thank you ,as they drive me away and to focus on rivers and club lakes occassionally and both especially the former are a million times better place to be , just other day between Thornton bridge and fawdington , I caught few modest chub and perch , and saw birds of prey , and group if dear cross the river upstream ,and never saw another person in 6 hrs pure heaven
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Post by samvimes on Feb 6, 2020 10:42:23 GMT
Andy, you are missing the point. My post was not a passionate defence of commercials, and definitely not of idiot anglers (which exist on rivers too). My post was a reaction to "I just have an opinion now about commercials which I know irritates some" and nothing more.
I simply find your denigration of commies (and those that might fish them) a little over the top, especially as you only relatively recently discovered the joys of fishing the rivers. I largely avoid commies, often for similar reasons as you've given. However, I won't resort to slating commies, or those that choose to fish them. I know that the time will come when they are the only viable option if I wish to continue fishing. I'd rather not make a total hypocrite of myself when that time comes.
Make hay on the more natural venues while you are able. Don't knock what others might do. You don't know their circumstances and you might be forced to join them sooner than you'd like.
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Post by basha on Feb 7, 2020 6:42:01 GMT
im not getting into any debates lol.
agree with a lot that has been said.i for one prefer rivers and club still waters over a commercial any day.ive fished the commercials over the years when rivers and such like have been out ov sort.yes you get some disrespective anglers on them.heavey butcher lines,dead fish strooned all over,numpties getting off there faces,yet ive been to some river stretches specially around darlo area and parts of the swale were you are allowed to nightfish and experienced the same goings on.i went to a commercial tuther day and had a blinding time.it was a case of just wanting to get a few fish,specially with me not getting out as often as I should.so over all commercials are here to stay and for the good that they are.river anglers and fish stocks are on a decline,specially around our region.commercials are a good addition to anglers,revenue,disabled anglers or just somewere to get a bite.
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Post by jacques on Feb 7, 2020 16:37:51 GMT
As a lifelong angler and from observation of others consider my self quite proficient. The Acolyte rod l use as a pellet waggler is rated for 5lb line. Hence l use 6lb line. The rod action coupled with the correct clutch settings will easily cope with larger fish. Back during my barble days during periods of low water l managed over the years several doubles on my 1.25lb Avon and 6lb line. Ita all about tackle balance. Again using 6 /8 rated hollow elastics and 0.12mm hook lengths l have taken double weight carp from our local club and commercial fisheries. Again if you dont pull to hard they eventually come to the net. Ok not targeting them on light gear but if they are there they get hooked.
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