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Post by Mick on Apr 16, 2014 20:16:56 GMT
just to reply to stu about getting other clubs to join, i found out today that all the local clubs have been approached in the past but just weren't interested Its right what John says the finances are not in a good state at all especially not helped by the river being in flood for most the season and matches having to be cancelled, also the landowner has made it clear that if nysd lose the stretch it will NOT be put up to lease for anyone else at all, he will simply allow no fishing on that stretch at all and concentrate all his efforts on the shoots he already holds there
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Post by basha(mark). on Apr 16, 2014 20:23:11 GMT
that's bad news for any club.times are tough,but as above its going to take a lot more than what they are offering.start uping the price of memberships by a fiver would make more sense but don't be over pricing the club.they would make more revenue that way.and agree about the matches but in this climate its tough going for all the clubs when matches are cancelled due to flooding etc.
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Post by Mick on Apr 16, 2014 20:26:38 GMT
I agree with you mate i reckon they should do guest tickets so members can take none members with them and charge a fiver a ticket it might not bring in loads of cash but it would be something ?? id hate them/us to lose that stretch like, ive had some great days down there
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Post by basha(mark). on Apr 16, 2014 20:35:00 GMT
ude be surprised how much they can make by doing the above,makes sense.but some clubs are stuck in a rutt and have been for yrs.some of the committee in these clubs need to be changed to modern times aswell.stop catering for individual anglers and put the whole thing into prespective.
this isn't a new thing its been going on a while and should have been looked at sooner.some just wnt make that change and this is the downfall.preston park angling club yrs back had some spanking waters,but failed to move with the times and sadly a member for 16yrs it folded due to the same situations.
farmers know the price they can change and aint going to move on priceing,they know they will make revenue by either a shoot as mentioned or making the water syndicate,and there is plenty of people out there willing to take gd water,specially on the tees being and up and coming river.
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Post by slabber1 on Apr 16, 2014 20:46:59 GMT
Now mark, I actually suggested upping the fees for club members to fish the stretch but they said it's a none starter as many smaller clubs would fold so they say. I think boro club fees are way too cheap for whatever we get in comparison to day ticket puddles etc. as you say far too many people stuck in their ways and they don't like change. The club has been run for match men mainly. I even suggested having barbel matches which would give a good indication of stocks etc but have heard nothing.
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Post by basha(mark). on Apr 16, 2014 20:48:30 GMT
you only have to look at the black bull stretch at topcliff,now syndicate and the sheep hills.hardly see anyone on there,wasted water as far as im concerned.both prime examples how these syndicates remain in the hands of these people with very few anglers to show for it.farmers landowners are content because they are getting the revenue.more and more waters are becoming syndicate venues.
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Post by basha(mark). on Apr 16, 2014 20:52:52 GMT
my point exactely mate.they wnt make that change that is needed and its such a simple one to make.if committee members just took the fingers out of there arses and looked at the situation in front of them.move with the times are pay the penalty.im sure if it was addressed in the rite manner,members would gladly pay that extra fee,if it was to secure such a grt water.i for one would certainely agree to a small price increase and im sure I speak for most members.no one wants to lose a valuble stretch of water.
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Post by stuthebroo on Apr 16, 2014 21:14:24 GMT
The thing with certain clubs involved in NYSD is there income is limited from what I understand as there are lots of long term members who do not pay annual subs and so income is limited and so is recuitment of new members. I think a lot of other clubs are put off entering into NYSD as there is very limited fishing at the weekend due to the match schedule. It would be a pity if they lost it but the estate probably makes more from a few shoots than a years fishing lease. With regards to the Black Bull and Sheep Hills they both went syndicated becasue the riparian got sick of the mess left by the mindless minority, they said the last straw on Sheeps Hill was some half wit flying around the fields in the middle of the night like the Dukes of Hazard. Sometimes ours so called fellow anglers are our own worst enemies.
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Post by Mick on Apr 17, 2014 6:18:19 GMT
Yep thats bang on correct that mate, one of the reasons why they dont up the subs is just as you say the smaller clubs (some only have 20 or so members) would struggle and if they charged by how many members a club had it would then become unfair to the latger clubs who would in sorts be paying for the smaller clubs to fish it, bit of a catch 22 there i think, i can see why the regular weekend matches would put other clubs off but to be fair the subs are that ridiculously low that for the price your still getting monday to saturday fishing and of course theres nothing stopping other members fishing the matches, and its also another stretch for the clubs to add that may entice more members for them
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Post by basha(mark). on Apr 17, 2014 6:33:49 GMT
it did get a bitt of a mess down there more so sheep hills.wasnt patrolled enough.but look at topcliff now even though under syndicate.far fewer pegs to fish than there was.overgrown and looks worse than it did.most are fishing the first 6 pegs these days.suits me like being in leeds and no one fishing opposite .
all this retired or ive paid for a life membership should be scrapped,cut down prices etc.disability with blue badgers discounts.and one that really gets to me is how much ladies can join for.it all needs sorting out.if your on the bank fishing you should pay the same.junior tickets I don't have a problem with.
its all potential revenue.the difficult part is making thoughs changes and taking the flak that comes with it.but if it was discussed at agm's etc and put over in a way that members can listen to and understand and be told why,they wouldn't have so many issues.
ov course your going to get the ones who moan and say this and that and thoughs are the people who don't have the clubs interest at heart they just want cheap fishing at discount prices.shouldnt be all this im a life time member rubbish.a club cant run without funds,and by doing some changes to the above.it needs a full review and quickly or it will go down the pan before you know it.no doubt you will lose the odd member through ignorance but you don't need people with attitudes anyway.
clubs need to listen to members a lot more also,a lot of what is said at agm's ect,is washed under the carpet or never replied too.
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