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Post by basha(mark). on Nov 17, 2013 19:11:57 GMT
barbel are like carp and switch of a bait quicker than u can say jack flash.recentely the tees has had more interest in barbel lads.it pays to take something different.they already picking up a change in the weather and have done most ov there heavey feeding and will be switching to little and often now.use a bait that hasn't been introduced and fish that on your hook.barbel will often pick out a bait that looks different to the background feed and can bring a bite wen nothing else does.
but lads try the above crushed hally/hemp and a small particle like corn/magg/caster.if it dosnt work ile eatmy hat and my hats got ears and take some swallowing.first 5-10 casts rather quickly,then leave your rod 20-30 mins per cast after that.if nointerest move on and when you see a swim u fancy perch yourself 30-45yds away from it and fish low to the water and ignore everything till ya rods shoots off.
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Post by slabber1 on Nov 17, 2013 19:12:58 GMT
Bash, have you read trefor wrests book(barbel a lifetimes addiction ) awesome read it is mate, you can get it for a fiver from lone angler cos there's a. Problem with the binding on the cover, I paid top whack for mine though. Some of the stuff he writes about is mind blowing mate
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Post by ronnie on Nov 17, 2013 19:32:19 GMT
You can get away with all sorts of fancy rigs on a lake but on a good flowing river keep it simple. Enough lead either in a ledger or feeder to get where you want and hold the bottom and adjust the tail, missed bites shorten it, no bites -lengthen it. Fished over a bed of crushed hemp and brown crumb and tried spicy luncheon meat, corn and squid boilies at Westwick on Saturday, fished into dark and never got a tickle, didn't have any maggots or casters or I would have tried them.
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Post by basha(mark). on Nov 17, 2013 19:46:37 GMT
I have read it yes bud.most dedicated barbel anglers say simple is best.its all about location and water conditions as you well know.you can have ideal conditions but you could be sat on nothing,so your way ov roving is the way to go.you don't necessary have to feed 3-4 different swims with the method above just make sure you fish the top peg first.chances are with the method above specially if your not familiar with flow rate and were your bait is actually landing is you generally get interest on your 2nd or third swim.
the swale I know well so I can gatty my pellets hemp and have a gd judgement ov were I need to cast.ive used the above method on both toppy and thorny when all else has failed and there's been peeps sat around me in gd swims and got bugger all.thats not been down to me as an angler,its down to the method I fished on the day.anyone can catch barbel if there in a feeding mood,there no harder than chub or any other species.you,v just got to give em what they want the way they want it,or they'll merrily sit beside your bait waffing there tails,hitting your line and giving you total frustration.a simple change can make all the difference.
I see lads going in the park,fishing the same baits every time because they'v had a few decent sessions and think they'v nailed it.then they moan when they don't catch.happend last yr and a guy on a maggot clipp raped the fish out.all other anglers over his shoulder looking for the method catching.no one else had maggots or the sense to even try it and would laff at people who tried it.he shut a few people up that day bagging 9 carp in 3 hours when everyone sat there stuck on one method.
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Post by slabber1 on Nov 17, 2013 20:04:40 GMT
Now Ronny, I don't use fancy rigs at all mate , a simple running ledger set up, 10lb bass pro line( main line) with 12lb braided hooklink , I don't sit and wait in a swim, I rove about and give each swim 30 mins max then move on, I will return to the same swim 3-4 times in a session to see if anything has moved onto the freebies I've out in, but I don't put bucket loads of bait in
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Post by basha(mark). on Nov 17, 2013 20:10:20 GMT
the tees is unlike any other river,the river weir can be just as judgemental.unlike the swale were late autumn fish sit in certain area's,so its not always necessary to rome around if you know were to go.you can often sit in one peg and catch a bagfull.catch a fish on the tees and move on.and we also have to take into context we are talking pockets of fish on the tees,amounts are no were near as high so makes your task harder.any fish on the tees will make 5 on the swale.
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Post by ronny on Nov 17, 2013 20:34:43 GMT
If your worried about pinning line then try some of the korda dark master putty wrapped around a korda sinker.. First rule for me is always be confident in the rig u use as this will yield better results in the end, u sit behind a rig ya feel uncomfy with ya never gonna try as much as u would, ya just sit there doubting ya self and by the time u go to change it it tends to be to late.. So stick to a rig u like and know that works and enjoy the fishing
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Post by basha(mark). on Nov 17, 2013 20:52:31 GMT
that's spot on the ball ronny.hence the reason I stick to what I know.its not always the rig your using,its the wrong rig in the first place.if uve caught on a certain method stick to it.its probabely just a slight adjustement u need not the whole thing.fish don't swim and take a look at a rig and say ooooooooooow I don't like the look at that.presentation is the key.surely the more fairey lights u have on the less twinkle u'll get.
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Post by ronnie on Nov 18, 2013 8:48:08 GMT
Is it just me or some of the rigs you see just lately in the fishing mags and papers unsafe for fish. They show a fixed lead that acts as a bolt rig so the fish hooks itself,- lazy fishing. I was always taught never to trap a lead, if the main line snags or rubs through then the fish ends up towing the rig around. I caught a 3 to 4 lb barbel a couple of seasons ago at Skipton that should have weighed a couple of pounds more but it was wrapped round with terminal tackle that had cut its dorsal fin in half. I got it cut off and recovered the fish till it swam slowly off, don't know if it survived though.
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Post by basha(mark). on Nov 19, 2013 7:50:07 GMT
pinning your line down aswell for barbel dosnt illiminate line bites totally been a flat bottom feeder you,ll still get liners,its just tha nature of the species to rummage around and disturb whatever bait or tackle is on the bottom.hence the reason a longer cast and low rod level will produce less liners.half the time I thnk a lot of these anglers in papers use far to many gimmicks just to make there column look more interesting to be honest.they look nice and in some situations may even work,but there again so do they old tried and tested ones.fish I would say would get disturbed by the smell or look ov a bait more often than the rig it was connected too.unless your a carp angler stick to simplicity,tried and tested methods,carp are a different species all together they feed deep/mid/high so riggs are diff.
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Post by ronny on Nov 19, 2013 8:53:32 GMT
Well said mate, simple tactics worked for me yesterday, small 30gram maggot feeder, quick change bead and a hook length with a size 16
Agree about the carp, carp ain't daft, gotta be the cleverest course fish out there and more they get fished for harder they get to catch, so specialist rigs are needed to fool them
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 10:17:10 GMT
Interestingly I received an email from the environment agency. Did anyone know that 5,000 barbel were stocked in the tees at high coniscliffe this year?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 12:28:49 GMT
I've got to agree Ronny! Carp are the most frustrating fish to catch especially when you can see them taking every other bait expect yours! Narks me stiff!! And yeh i got the same email jim!! At least there trying to improve the fishing more
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Post by basha(mark). on Nov 19, 2013 18:02:51 GMT
kept that quiet lol.nice to know though
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